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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 19, 2007 1:15:01 GMT -5
I happen to think the show markedly improved when they switched from Mel to Ace. Most of the 7th Doctor episodes with Mel were terrible,
where most of the Ace ones were pretty good. Do you think the show would have lasted longer if they had started Sylvester Mccoy with Ace a lot sooner?
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Post by Massimo on Mar 19, 2007 6:03:17 GMT -5
I was never Ace's fan but she's much better than Mel, who's practically always annoying. That said I don't think the show would have gone on any longer because IMHO the problem was that some stories were simply lousy and the special effects were unacceptably cheap in a moment when Star Trek: TNG was on with a much better look.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 19, 2007 12:01:35 GMT -5
I think all the latter stories were very good, better than you think. I am not quite sure about the special effects. I agree that the effects probably were not up to ST-TNG, but I dont think the 2 series were ever rally competitors. Too different from each other , the two series.
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Post by Massimo on Mar 19, 2007 12:58:07 GMT -5
I didn't mean that there was a competition betwen DW and ST: TNG, it's just that people who watch both of them can see the great difference in special effects.
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Post by Nytik on Apr 3, 2007 16:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Ace worked much better in the storylines.
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Post by captainpoison on Jun 11, 2007 12:54:01 GMT -5
ace was a little more involved than mel, the whole attacking a dalek with a baseball-bat is a prime example, which in turn created more interesting viewing.
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Post by jeremiahecks on Dec 5, 2009 18:27:40 GMT -5
But it didn't bring in viewers, did it? When the money was behind the special effects later, with Billie Piper, the Ace concept worked much better, but frankly, there were a lot of similarities between the last two series of 'old' Who and the first of 'new' Who. There still are.
The show was killed because of bad special effects, because Sylvester couldn't get over to the public because of his 'comedy' image (not helped by his disastrous first season which people turned off in droves), and because after the Colin Baker cancellation the series just looked tired. It's not that people didn't want Doctor Who, but they just didn't want insulting rubbish.
They flocked in droves for the Paul McGann movie and the new series - the demand has always been there if the supply would be suitable.
I'd also just like to backpedal and point out that I think Sylvester McCoy is a brilliant actor - I really do - severely underrated, and I'm just arguing above from his image. Image is a big thing and he has often mined the comedy route himself, so it's not entirely an unjustified criticism.
Ace or Mel? Mel was... well, she was the Sam Jones of the original series (until Rose came along >_> ). She wasn't popular, critically or frankly 'commercially' and it took Big Finish to remotely redeem her, and I don't hate her so much now. Ace, on the other hand, created tonnes of fan boys and a really excellent story arc with Fenric, Gabriel Chase, confronting her own fears and the method of a human becoming a Time Lord, albeit never completed.
Who do you think?
-Jeremiah Ecks,
who thinks the debate should be 'Ace' vs. 'New Ace'.
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Post by Wystan on Apr 30, 2011 11:41:24 GMT -5
3/4 Stories of season twenty four was, quickly speaking, bad. But Mel is my favourive classic companion.
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