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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 27, 2006 8:51:18 GMT -5
I would like to hear what fans think of the novel "Lungbarrow" especially when compared with the series and the TV movie.
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Post by The Thinker on Dec 27, 2006 12:54:48 GMT -5
I would like to hear what fans think of the novel "Lungbarrow" especially when compared with the series and the TV movie. I like the story, just not the way it fits into establish continuity. However, it is very useful for debunking the idea of the Doctor being half-human, as established in the TV Movie.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 27, 2006 17:37:39 GMT -5
I would like to hear what fans think of the novel "Lungbarrow" especially when compared with the series and the TV movie. I like the story, just not the way it fits into establish continuity. However, it is very useful for debunking the idea of the Doctor being half-human, as established in the TV Movie. I'm currently reading the book online but I also read the synopsis. Found many contradictions. For example: K9 reminds Leela that there are no parents on Gallafrey, but in the movie the Doctor tells Grace that he remembers watching an apparently spectacular meteor shower with his father. Hello!
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Post by The Thinker on Dec 28, 2006 4:32:48 GMT -5
I like the story, just not the way it fits into establish continuity. However, it is very useful for debunking the idea of the Doctor being half-human, as established in the TV Movie. I'm currently reading the book online but I also read the synopsis. Found many contradictions. For example: K9 reminds Leela that there are no parents on Gallafrey, but in the movie the Doctor tells Grace that he remembers watching an apparently spectacular meteor shower with his father. Hello! Now, what one must remember about the Doctor is that he isn't an ordinary Time Lord. Read below (Hey! First practical use of the Spoiler Tags! ;D ): In 'Lungbarrow', it says that another individual called "the Other" fell into the genetic looms, and came out as the Doctor. Now the Other was around before the Gallifreyans became sterile, so he'd have probably have had a Natural Father. See what I mean?
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Post by Eryx on Dec 28, 2006 7:32:16 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Lunbarrow but there are too many inconsistances for me to accept it 100%.
I like the no parents thing, and I can reconcile that with the obvious issues the 8th Doctor has following his regeneration (IE: he's possibly remembering the Other's memories).
Overall though, I love the story. It's a classic murder mystery with a clever Doctor Who twist.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 28, 2006 13:20:46 GMT -5
I'm currently reading the book online but I also read the synopsis. Found many contradictions. For example: K9 reminds Leela that there are no parents on Gallafrey, but in the movie the Doctor tells Grace that he remembers watching an apparently spectacular meteor shower with his father. Hello! Now, what one must remember about the Doctor is that he isn't an ordinary Time Lord. Read below (Hey! First practical use of the Spoiler Tags! ;D ): In 'Lungbarrow', it says that another individual called "the Other" fell into the genetic looms, and came out as the Doctor. Now the Other was around before the Gallifreyans became sterile, so he'd have probably have had a Natural Father. See what I mean? Yea, pretty much. But would that mean "the Other" was half-human? Anyone not really familiar with Doctor Who and even some who are would probably be thinking: Huh? Like the spoiler tag. Very useful for those who don't want to read it. By the way, you didn't spoil it for me. I just want to read more details than what the synopsis shows.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 28, 2006 13:32:04 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Lunbarrow but there are too many inconsistances for me to accept it 100%. I like the no parents thing, and I can reconcile that with the obvious issues the 8th Doctor has following his regeneration (IE: he's possibly remembering the Other's memories). Overall though, I love the story. It's a classic murder mystery with a clever Doctor Who twist. Thought of another contradiction. The book says that Leela and Andred are lovers. But in "The Arc of Infinity", the 5th doctor is talking to the high council and says he was sorry to have missed their wedding!
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Post by The Thinker on Dec 28, 2006 15:39:52 GMT -5
Now, what one must remember about the Doctor is that he isn't an ordinary Time Lord. Read below (Hey! First practical use of the Spoiler Tags! ;D ): In 'Lungbarrow', it says that another individual called "the Other" fell into the genetic looms, and came out as the Doctor. Now the Other was around before the Gallifreyans became sterile, so he'd have probably have had a Natural Father. See what I mean? Yea, pretty much. But would that mean "the Other" was half-human? Anyone not really familiar with Doctor Who and even some who are would probably be thinking: Huh? Like the spoiler tag. Very useful for those who don't want to read it. By the way, you didn't spoil it for me. I just want to read more details than what the synopsis shows. No, it would not mean the other was half-human, it would mean that the Eighth Doctor would be recalling his memories. Anyway, the Other is from a time before the human race evolved. Anyway, 'nuff said.
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Post by Eryx on Dec 29, 2006 11:25:08 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Lunbarrow but there are too many inconsistances for me to accept it 100%. I like the no parents thing, and I can reconcile that with the obvious issues the 8th Doctor has following his regeneration (IE: he's possibly remembering the Other's memories). Overall though, I love the story. It's a classic murder mystery with a clever Doctor Who twist. Thought of another contradiction. The book says that Leela and Andred are lovers. But in "The Arc of Infinity", the 5th doctor is talking to the high council and says he was sorry to have missed their wedding! You can be lovers and be married.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 29, 2006 22:56:29 GMT -5
Yea, pretty much. But would that mean "the Other" was half-human? Anyone not really familiar with Doctor Who and even some who are would probably be thinking: Huh? Like the spoiler tag. Very useful for those who don't want to read it. By the way, you didn't spoil it for me. I just want to read more details than what the synopsis shows. No, it would not mean the other was half-human, it would mean that the Eighth Doctor would be recalling his memories. Anyway, the Other is from a time before the human race evolved. Anyway, 'nuff said. O.K. Then where did the "memory" of being half-human on his mother's side come from? Boy, this is getting complicated! Anybody else have a headache? ;D
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Post by The Thinker on Dec 30, 2006 4:25:56 GMT -5
No, it would not mean the other was half-human, it would mean that the Eighth Doctor would be recalling his memories. Anyway, the Other is from a time before the human race evolved. Anyway, 'nuff said. O.K. Then where did the "memory" of being half-human on his mother's side come from? Boy, this is getting complicated! Anybody else have a headache? ;D Now, I don't think that was so much as a memory as more of pure confusion on the Doctor's part. Remember he had just regenerated, and embedded in him was a probe, which had some human cells on it. And yes I do have a headache, but one induced by getting insufficient sleep the night before...d**n snoring!
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Post by dbrummett2 on Jan 3, 2007 17:34:35 GMT -5
If the probe had human cells on it, then someone didn't do a very good job of cleaning and sterilizing it. ;D
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Post by The Thinker on Jan 4, 2007 4:22:22 GMT -5
If the probe had human cells on it, then someone didn't do a very good job of cleaning and sterilizing it. ;D They were probably the cells of Grace Holloway, though my memory is a bit cloudy as I can't remember if she was wearing gloves or not.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Jan 4, 2007 11:14:06 GMT -5
Of course she'd be wearing gloves. She was a surgeon. I finished reading "Lungbarrow" and have a few questions. Don't worry it has nothing to do with the "Other" or the half-human crapola. First: It wasn't clear to me whether the missing Cousins were found or not. (I skimmed through some parts) Second: Innocet said that Time Lords were born as full grown adults that are like children. Does that mean the first Doctor was born with all that gray hair, or would that happen as he "grew up"? Third and last: Romana gave the Doctor her sonic screwdriver (I remember she made herself one) so that would mean that from the T.V. movie to the present he's actually been using hers.
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Post by drwhofan1 on Jan 5, 2007 22:37:32 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed Lungbarrow. It was a bit confusing at first, but it was good. The contradictions are rampant in Doctor Who. So many stories contradict others. I can't name any right now, but I'm sure there are some. But the story was enjoyable nonetheless.
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