Vampires or not.

[Dalek]

I was wondering was the monsters the Dr mat really Vampires or aliens im not sure which one to count them as.

*Blood harvest i think it's called*

[boies00]

As far as I know, the only time the Doctor encountered vampires in the TV show is in the Tom Baker serial State of Decay.

In books you have them mainly in Goth Opera (5th Doctor), Blood Harvest (7th Doctor) and Vampire Science (8th Doctor). And in audio, they appears in Project: Twilight and Project: Lazarus. And probably others as well.

Check the synopsis on the website when you're looking for information. You can even do a search with the keyword "Vampire".

Dom

[Dalek]

But i was looking to know if you counted them as Vampires where they not aliens???

[boies00]

oldgrey said:

But i was looking to know if you counted them as Vampires where they not aliens???

Well, there may be aliens who are vampires.

But I guess if they are human (or at least human-looking), they'll simply be seen as vampires rather than aliens -- such as in the Big Finish audios.

Dom

[Massimo]

Why should vampires be an Earth monopoly? There could be vampires all around the universe, we should consider them vampires even if they're aliens too.

[The Thinker]

massimo said:

Why should vampires be an Earth monopoly? There could be vampires all around the universe, we should consider them vampires even if they're aliens too.

I believe that in 'State of Decay' the Doctor said that there were vampire legends on nearly every single civilised world in the universe. Thus, stating that vampires were not unique to Earth culture.

Also, in Doctor Who, the vampires aren't the only blood-suckng "life"forms around. (What's wrong with just the one?)

[jove]

I think a basic requirement to be what we call a "vampire" is to be undead. A vampire is a living person who died and somehow became reborn as a vampire. If these aliens are not undead, then I think they are merely vampire-like aliens, and not true vampires.

[leerogers]

The vampires in our culture are the reanimated corpses of dead humans, but in the Doctor Who universe they are gigantic space aliens. However, the 'Great Vampires' obviously infected some of their victims (Zargo, Camilla, Aukon) who then transformed into the more traditional human-type vampires we know and love.

The victims of the Haemovores in "The Curse of Fenric" also became vampires, so it appears there's more than kind of species that can transform humans.

[Massimo]

The "undead" thing is one of the vampire traditions but there are others and they're used in today's fiction too so in Buffy we have the ubervamps, which seem to be pure demons and in Blade we have the pure-bloods, who are born vampire.

[Dalek]

I did'nt know their was this much to vampires

[The Thinker]

oldgrey said:

I did'nt know their was this much to vampires

That's Doctor Who for you; they get a well known myth or legend and then give it some sort of scientific explanation- as usual. Well known victims myths, legends and other curiosities we can't get out of our heads screwed up rationalised/explained include:

• Vampires ('State of Decay', 'The Curse of Fenric')
  
• Werewolves ('The Greatest Show in the Galaxy', 'Tooth and Claw')
  
• The Loch Ness Monster ('Terror of the Zygons')
  
• The Dissapearance of the Crew of the Marie Celeste ('The Chase')
  
• Ghosts? (Various)
  
• Atlantis ('The Underwater Menace'/'The Daemons'/'The Time Monster')
  
• The Yeti ('The Abominable Snowmen', 'The Web of Fear')
  
• This one isn't exactly a myth or legend, more of a curiosity- The Extinction of the Dinosaurs ('Earthshock')
  
• The Devil ('The Daemons', 'The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit')
  
• Aliens (Just about every single episode if you include the Doctor too)
  
• Ancient Greek Legends ('The Time Monster', 'Underworld', 'The Horns of Nimon')
  
• Birth of the Human Race ('City of Death')
  
• and that's it! Ooh, my head hurts!
  

Phew!

[Ice Warrior]

I know this is off the vampire topic, but isn't there a 6th Doctor story which concludes that one of the aliens becomes the Lock Ness Monster (I think I'm refering to 'Timelash') as well as 'Terror of the Zygons'

[The Thinker]

icewarrior said:

I know this is off the vampire topic, but isn't there a 6th Doctor story which concludes that one of the aliens becomes the Lock Ness Monster (I think I'm refering to 'Timelash') as well as 'Terror of the Zygons'

Errm, I don't think there was any Loch Ness Monster reference in 'Timelash' as you described it, no.

*checks*

Nope, can't find any Loch Ness Monster references in 'Timelash'. H.G Wells yes, but Nessie no.

[Ice Warrior]

Taken from the Timelash Reference Guide Entry:

"The Doctor then overloads the Timelash power controls, shutting it down completely; the Borad will be trapped in 12th-century Scotland near Inverness, to be seen only intermittently over the next few centuries."

It doesn't say it directly, but it is implied



Getting back to the vampire topic...

In my opinion, Vampires are not limited to one 'history' or version. Hence there is no continuity frustrations as to whether all vampires seen are of the same origins.

[The Thinker]

icewarrior said:

Taken from the Timelash Reference Guide Entry:

"The Doctor then overloads the Timelash power controls, shutting it down completely; the Borad will be trapped in 12th-century Scotland near Inverness, to be seen only intermittently over the next few centuries."

It doesn't say it directly, but it is implied

I just realised that 30 seconds after making that post. ;D