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Post by paulincanada on Jul 2, 2006 13:21:56 GMT -5
This episode was OK. It kept making me think of that old cartoon "Simon and the World of Chalk Drawings" that Mike Myers used to lampoon on Saturday Night Live. The story turned absolutely horrible when they had the Doctor light the Olympic torch. I guess there was no security at the Olympics.
I got into Doctor Who with the fourth Doctor (Peter Davison). I liked how there were three companions (presumably the Doctor was not lusting after all of them back in those days) and the interplay between them. Teegan telling the Doctor off all the time, Turlow with the Black Guradian subplot, Nissa all brilliant. I still remember the chill of Teegan being possessed by the Mara. Then they replayed the Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker stories and I loved it more. Jon's Doctor was action man on earth, Tom's a very odd alien man in a goofy lovable sense. But the stories were creepy and engaging.
'Satan Pit' came close to that, but the girl drawing pictures was not very interesting. I was hoping for some depth coming from the Doctor using the TARDIS to move through the drawings dimension, or some kind of action from that side of the paper. However that didn't happen, we just had a floating white flower (reminded me of a feminine paper products commercial) and a rock in the Olympic torch. Good grief, what about the fireplace or a barbeque, Rose?
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Post by Dominic Smith on Jul 2, 2006 13:43:25 GMT -5
Good grief, what about the fireplace or a barbeque, Rose? Ah but the torch was supposed to represent a symbol of love, not just a flame and love is what the Isolus creature needs to survive. It was what the torch stood for that recharged the pod rather than the flame it carried.
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Post by The Thinker on Jul 2, 2006 14:12:32 GMT -5
I got into Doctor Who with the fourth Doctor (Peter Davison). The fourth Doctor was Tom Baker, Peter Davison was the fifth, not to be rude or anything like.
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Post by jove on Dec 16, 2006 13:20:22 GMT -5
I thought this episode was ok. The Olympics stuff was stupid and seemed unnecessary, but the rest was fine. The little girl was pretty good.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 21, 2006 21:37:09 GMT -5
The story turned absolutely horrible when they had the Doctor light the Olympic torch. I guess there was no security at the Olympics. That would not happen in real life. For all they know the Doctor could have had a bomb. It took me by surprise when the Doctor said, "I was a dad once." Although it would make sense because Susan is his granddaughter. Or, is she? I thought she was human. I read elsewhere that Susan was someone else's daughter and the Doctor took her in to take care of her for some reason. Could someone clear this up for me?
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Post by Dominic Smith on Dec 22, 2006 2:43:16 GMT -5
The story turned absolutely horrible when they had the Doctor light the Olympic torch. I guess there was no security at the Olympics. That would not happen in real life. For all they know the Doctor could have had a bomb. It took me by surprise when the Doctor said, "I was a dad once." Although it would make sense because Susan is his granddaughter. Or, is she? I thought she was human. I read elsewhere that Susan was someone else's daughter and the Doctor took her in to take care of her for some reason. Could someone clear this up for me? In the book 'Lungbarrow' it is claimed that Susan was the granddaughter of a Time Lord known as 'The Other', during the time of Rassilon, and that when the Other committed suicide, and was reincarnated as the Doctor, he was taken back to her in the TARDIS and they began to travel together. However as this was not a book officially released by the BBC (but they did give the publishing company Virgin a license to print the books) whether this plot line is in fact true is questionable. Other than that, I'm not sure the television series has ever actually claimed that the Doctor and Susan were not related.
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Post by dbrummett2 on Dec 23, 2006 0:28:50 GMT -5
In the book 'Lungbarrow' it is claimed that Susan was the granddaughter of a Time Lord known as 'The Other', during the time of Rassilon, and that when the Other committed suicide, and was reincarnated as the Doctor, he was taken back to her in the TARDIS and they began to travel together. "...reincarnated as the Doctor..."? Boy, I'm confused. Then again many things about the Doctor are confusing.
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Post by Dominic Smith on Dec 23, 2006 3:17:42 GMT -5
In the book 'Lungbarrow' it is claimed that Susan was the granddaughter of a Time Lord known as 'The Other', during the time of Rassilon, and that when the Other committed suicide, and was reincarnated as the Doctor, he was taken back to her in the TARDIS and they began to travel together. "...reincarnated as the Doctor..."? Boy, I'm confused. Then again many things about the Doctor are confusing. The Other was on the run from Rassilon, because they disagreed of how Gallifrey should be governed (or something like that) and he threw himself into the looms, giant fountains of genetic data from which Time Lords are born. He was killed in the process but his DNA was reformed into that of the Doctor, which is why it has been claimed that he is "far more than just another Time Lord". If the whole thing still seems a bit odd, have a go at reading the synopsis for New Adventures Novel 'Lungbarrow' (it's a bit of a tricky read I find, but it tells you all you need to know).
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Post by The Thinker on Dec 23, 2006 4:49:01 GMT -5
"...reincarnated as the Doctor..."? Boy, I'm confused. Then again many things about the Doctor are confusing. The Other was on the run from Rassilon, because they disagreed of how Gallifrey should be governed (or something like that) and he threw himself into the looms, giant fountains of genetic data from which Time Lords are born. He was killed in the process but his DNA was reformed into that of the Doctor, which is why it has been claimed that he is "far more than just another Time Lord". If the whole thing still seems a bit odd, have a go at reading the synopsis for New Adventures Novel 'Lungbarrow' (it's a bit of a tricky read I find, but it tells you all you need to know). I'd say something like that, but as always, the canonicity of the books, any of them, is questionable. It's just personal preference really. Personally, if I was writing 'Lungbarrow' I'd have come up with something slightly different. But, anyway, I'm ranting...
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Post by Eryx on Dec 24, 2006 9:22:11 GMT -5
The entire Lungbarrow story is up on the BBC's classic Dr Who site. Thats where I found it and spent the entire night reading it!
It's a weird story but I found it gripping and very thought-provoking.
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